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On Jennings, SJax and EDS

Posted March 13th, 2013 @ 03:03pm

There's a danger in posting a blog on the first full day of free agency: it can have the same shelf life as a bowl of Chili John's. That said, let's take a look at some of the steam coming out of Titletown.

As usual, Ted Thompson let the big dollars fly while sitting on the sidelines. He did reach out to Steven Jackson's agent,  but basically to say, 'Get back to me when you realize no one wants to overpay a 30 year old back with 50,000 carries behind him.'

It sounds like the Falcons and Packers have the most interest in the tough, hard-nosed back who I believe still has a couple of years left in the tank. Atlanta, though, will now have to devote more money at tight end than they expected since Tony Gonzalez Favred them and announced he wants to play another year.

With high priced talent at WR and tight end, and QB Matt Ryan due a Flacco-ish new contract, it's hard to believe they can afford to pay Jackson anything close to what he wants. Not to mention the fact that they gutted their defense and need to find re-enforcements.

Thompson is gambling he can get Jackson at his price. I'm cool with that. I'd like to finally see #39 in green and gold, but it has to make sense financially.

The interesting dynamic in play is the future of Greg Jennings who would probably turn back the clock a few months if he could, and accept the Pack's reported $10 million per year offer. It appears he will not get the $12-15 million a year he wants: even Percy Harvin's new deal doesn't approach that amount.

If he returns to the Pack, Jermichael Finley will be out and Green Bay will take a look at what's left of the tight end free agency market, or address that position early in the draft.

One more note on running backs: former Madden cover boy Peyton Hillis has scheduled a visit. Some might see this as a chess move in the Steven Jackson talks. It could also be a sign that John Kuhn's days are done. Hillis would be a Kuhn replacement, perhaps a little cheaper, with maybe a little more upside.

I was a bit surprised they put the lowest tender on Evan Dietrich-Smith. Clearly they must see him as a serviceable starter at center, but not the preferred long term answer. If another teams snaps him up, the team will suddenly have a glaring need at the position.

If things stay quiet after this first wave, look for Thompson to address the defense and pounce on a lower-priced defensive lineman and maybe a safety. For now, the offensive side is where things will come into focus as we see what happens with Jackson, Jennings and maybe Finley.

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Comments (23):

SJax signing is nothing more than the Cedric Benson signing 2.0 He'll give you the same thing Benson did last year--which wasn't much. EDS was given the low tender because no team will sign him since he 1) isn't a natural center 2) isn't good. I don't see how you can give Jennings $10 million a year and still give Matthews--Suggs/Dumervill $, Raji--Ngata $, and AR the highest paid player in the NFL, all with in the next 12 months. Seems like setting yourself up for a financial disaster.

on March 13th, 2013 at 02:13pm

Cane...I agree with you on the Jackson/Benson analogy. You can't put major $$$ into a guy that may only last a season or less, and wouldn't be aboe to run it more than 15x/game. EDS may not be a natural center, but he ain't that bad - otherwise he'd never have gotten the gig in the first place. Matthews, Raji and Rodgers aren't due quite yet, so it's not an immediate pressing issue that they get theirs, so there's time to work the details on that. There's a lot of front office football yet to be played. BTW, congrats to the purple for pulling the trigger on the Harvin trade. RS is putting them in position to make a major move (and no, I'm not blowing smoke here - it's the truth). We shall see my friend, we shall see...

on March 13th, 2013 at 03:29pm

Bill.VOR we will disagree on this..Stephen Jackson is not Cedric Benson. Steve Jax can still run, block, and catch and still is a highly conditioned athlete that with Atlanta bowing out I believe TT has a good chance of picking up at a reasonable price. If he does I will go on record right now and say he will be the best overall running back in the A Rodgers era by far. Voice...you will appreciate him in December if we get him . He has value left and is the perfect run..catch..block back Rodgers would love. goPack Go !!,

on March 13th, 2013 at 09:00pm

The primary reason why I'm against the idea of signing Jackson is that regardless of if he gets signed tomorrow or 4 weeks from now, he'll only be a one or two year (if we're lucky) stop gap solution, and then the Packers would be right back in the same spot of having to look for another potentially expensive solution either next year or the year after. It's bad enough they've been in a similar spot the last few years, not coming up with a long term solution. RB's take a beating, and 9 years worth of beating is a lot. If it were me, I'd take my chances with drafting a fresh kid and go from there. But if they sign Jackson for the right price, it very well could be worth taking the risk, but IMHO, there's more risk than reward here. A really nice scenario would be signing Jackson for the right price, AND drafting a young guy. Will Stephan Taylor or Montee Ball be available when the Pack makes a pick? I'd be good with either one. [Now I see this is a moot point with Jackson signing with Atlanta. Fine with me...]

on March 14th, 2013 at 03:48pm

I know I am the lonely voice on this.....but I am extremely disappointed in TT for not getting Steven Jackson. He was there for the taking as the market came down and TT tries to get cute thinking he is a guru. Remember a few years ago when he refused to give up a 3rd draft choice for Marschan Lynch....this is worse. He loves the draft and tries to outthink everyone. I see the rest of the division making moves and the Pack stands pat. I realize he has to pay Rodgers, Claymaker, and Ragi but if he thinks he can fill in with career backups and low draft choices the Rodgers window time will pass us bye. The division is improving. Now if we dont get Jennings back TT may as well as extend his Caribbean vacation sipping Mai Tais under an umbrella. I know I am in the minority but I am really down the lack of moves. Please...GO PACK GO !!

on March 14th, 2013 at 06:40pm

Just keep two things in mind...1. Championships are won in January and February, not the middle of March. Think back a year ago...who were the big FA winners then? Buffalo (Williams) and Tampa Bay (Vincent Jackson), perhaps? Where were they when the playoffs started? On the couch watching on TV. 2. In the modern NFL, take good care of your cap, and the cap will take good care of you. The Broncos may have made some big moves, but have they sold their souls to you-know-who? Time will tell. Disrepect the cap, and you become the Washington Redskins. :-) As long as this subject keeps coming up, I'm going to be pounding this gavel into oblivion. All it takes to build a team the right way is patience my friends, patience. So sit back, watch the idiot owners spend themselves silly, and if the draft picks develop and enough starters stay off the IR, enjoy another Packer playoff run this coming January. Keep reminding yourselves that what's going on right now for the Pack, which is a whole lotta nothin', is a good thing. Wait until next week. Just sayin'...

on March 14th, 2013 at 07:56pm

hey guys, good to u have u back dave, thanks for the voice to keep things going. I am in the middle of ossg and voice on jackson, I just don't know how much he has left, he is a better receiver then benson, but cane makes good points,and I think he would be a lot cheaper. did anyone of u remember me saying that we should keep 85 and get rid of 88 back in feb.. he will make 8.5 mil. this year if they give him his bonus, the average for te's is 6.4 ml. I emailed jason wilde from espn wis. and he said at the time I was the only email he got that wanted to keep 85 and cut 88 . mostly because of money and our wr's we have now. makes sense I know. did anyone wonder why in 4 years with 12 at qb,we never had any problem beating the cover 2 before? because 85 got open. 88 has no idea where to go. that is why tt is thinking of keeping him. do u think just came up this year? no, Jennings was the key guy 12 looked for. when he came back did u notice the offense was more smooth against the cover 2. I did. give him 10 ml for 3 years, and as I said before cut 88, and draft, the ND te, Eilers. he is proven, and a leader, we need to win now and take a lb in 2nd round perfect fit. my friends thought I was nuts 2 months ago, now they think I'm onto something here. we'll see. if we don't get the te, I sure hope ogeltree the lb from georgia is there, I love him, I know he drank, but we all can't be angels. love to see your thoughts, go pack

on March 14th, 2013 at 12:11am

I'm with u ossg, sorry voice. I know u build championships thru the draft, BUT, u do need to help with the free agency. we need to get wilson from the cardinals, or pollard, reed, someone with some experience to play safety. remember, when we picked up robinson from seattle in 96, tell me that didn't help us win it. I wouldn't even mind hayward playing safety either if they don't pick anyone up. we also need to sign brad jones, he was more valuable then we think, plus special teams player. he is checking out the titans now, the vikings want him too. players that get older want to win a ring, they will take less to win. they see 12 at qb and know they have a chance. what is going on in seattle? u don't think they have gotten better? my God. and they are not over spending either, harvin maybe, but not all the other guys. avril, and bennet on that line now.if wilson plays like last year or better, there my favorite to win it all right now. I wouldn't even mind them putting a offer on pitta from the ravens and sign Jennings, and get rid of 88 as I said before. then u take a D-lineman or lb in 1st round. I hope it's ogeltree, or dl. williams from N.C. or hankins from O.S.. the best saftey I saw was reid from lsu. we need to fill some holes, we can do it with out selling out. let's play

on March 15th, 2013 at 01:32pm

TT and I are sittin' back and chillin'. In fact I hope he pitched his cell phone into Lake Michigan, and will get one of those new fangled 4G smart phones, maybe in a month from now. Guy, guys, guys...you gotta relax! Don't be so uptight. This team is not going in the tank any time soon, and I can confidently say that. Why? Because the plan is in place for continued maintenance of the salary cap, where it won't be necessary to gut the roster just to stay under - look what's happening in Baltimore as a prime example. The Ravens are the reigning Super Bowl champions, and I predict they won't make the playoffs for at least 3 seasons, maybe longer. They finally had to pay out big time for Flacco, and all thsee other guys they extended themselves on have them over the cap, and now the piper wants his cut of the proceeds. The Packers, by comparison, are in great shape, cap-wise and roster-wise. Now I've stated it before that I'm not in favor of big money free agency, and I'm going to give you another reason why, and think about this for a moment. What's the true definition of a free agent that doesn't get resigned? When you boil it down to its basics, it's a player that is essentially a castoff for one reason or another, either because he's too expensive, too old, doesn't fit into the long term plans, or a combination of those factors. In many cases, all three. Sure, there was a time when I got all hot and bothered like a few of my friends here when FA season rolled around, but no more. And I posed this question a few days ago, and no one responded, and I have a sneaky suspicion why - no one can provide an answer! In the last 5 years, name ONE free agent signing brought in from a different team who was the "missing piece" to bringing a championship. There may very well only be one I can think of, and it was by pure accident - Drew Brees. The Saints went into that one completely on blind faith bringing in someone with a ripped up shoulder, crossing their collective fingers and putting him out there. Did any of you see that coming? I seriously doubt anyone did. So out of all the free agents signed in the last five years, ONE hit the jackpot. But at what price? The Saints organization is a mess right now. So I'll say it a different way - I'm not interested in signing someone to big bucks that somebody else didn't want - otherwise, wouldn't they have resigned him in the first place? So as the smarter-than-average Packer fans that we are, consider this - over those same 5 years, which franchise has had the best on-field record? I think you know the answer to that, my friends. Here's another point - the means by which that the Packers achieved that on-field success is being copied by another franchise in this division. And this next statement I'm certain will put a smile on our good friend Cane's face...as Packer fans, we should all be very aware of what's going on over at Winter Park, because the Vikings are in the process of loading up for the future, big time. They may not be able to replicate the accidental success they had last year in the upcoming '13 season, but when '14 and '15 come around, I guarantee they will be big trouble for the Packers. So now that we're approaching the end of the first week of FA and the Pack hasn't done anything, ask yourself this - do you REALLY think Reggie Bush is going to put the Lions over the top? REALLY?!? So take it easy for a few weeks, have a few laughs over the idiocy of other team owners picking up other team's rejects for big $$$, and save your excitement for when it really counts - Draft Day, baby! BRING IT ON!!!

on March 15th, 2013 at 03:47pm

Oh, and one more thing...if I was Greg Jennings, I'd also jump at the chance of getting a free meal at Manny's too. Any of you guys ever eat there? OMG!!! And I'm going to stick my neck out here and state that he will NOT sign with the Vikings.

on March 15th, 2013 at 03:57pm

$4 million a season is way too much for a RB that old. TT knows that. Plus like I said before, he really wouldn't have given you guys much more than Benson did last season---which wasn't much. I haven't heard anyone here talk about the Walden loss? Or is he just viewed as a scrub for the most part?

on March 15th, 2013 at 07:07am

Hey...I'll admit I was wrong. Good luck, Greg. You'll need it. :-)

on March 15th, 2013 at 07:19pm

Voice.....I love your passion on this site....but your missing the bigger point!! You and I grew up with Lombardi era NFL football where you drafted a guy, molded him to your system and kept him his whole career. That is where drafting was very important. In 2013 NFL football and most major professional sports it is a different world. Just because a player is a free agent does not mean he is a discard. Most of these guys flow to the money and better playing opportunities. If you want to be a successful franchise you have to play skillfully at this game. I say skillfully....I am not saying throwing your money ala Snyder of Washington at every big name but using free agency to fill holes judiously. I bet if you looked at the teams that made the playoffs last year there probably are pieces that are ligit starters not overpaid has beens that contribute to a successful season. TT did none of that last year and so far this year and what it got us last year were free agents and practice squad guys who could not contribute. Yes...I agree long term the draft and managing your cap is the most important element in a longer term successful team but TT we have some major upgrades that are needed to fill. If we stand pat....look for more 450 yard games by our opposition .....no running game and ultimately a very frustrated Aaron Rodgers. GO PACK GO !!

on March 15th, 2013 at 07:25pm

Wow!! TT is alive !! Jennings is gone but he signed Hawk to a paycut. Great....another season of missed tackles as Peterson, Forte, and now Reggie Bush blow by him. This is TT's signature 2013 off season move. Didn't you hear Aaron Rodgers is going to play Defense as well as Offense next year since we are going to pay him so much very soon. We are going to roll out the NFL's first 3 player defense - Raji, Mathews & Rodgers. All 3 are going both ways in 2013 since that is all the quality players we will have left unless Ted stumbles into a stud in the draft and resigns Saturdayenson for low ball contracts. GO PACK GO !!

on March 15th, 2013 at 07:51pm

OK, OK...I'll throw out this much of a bone. If you have a singular known need, and can bring in the right guy for the right price (IE: Woodson), go for it. But that guy is never found in the first week. That's all you're getting out of me - I'm standing by my word. OSSG, you gotta admit that these discussions are a lot of fun, aren't they? But now that Jennings is gone, this should prove to be an interesting yardstick to go by...how well will he do? How well will the Vikings do? How well will he mesh with their system? I think all of us will be keeping an eye on how this all pans out. And in case you're wondering, I'm not bummed out about him leaving, but I am mildly surprised - not so much that he took the offer, but that Speilman made the offer. The '13 season just got that much more interesting. Sure, the Seahawks improved on paper, but it's way too early to calculate the impact. I'm not ready to pronounce them champs just yet. Or anyone else for that matter...

on March 15th, 2013 at 08:09pm

OSSG, I guess I'll be the one to talk you off the ledge. It's not that bad...really. TT won't make a move for the sake of making a move. Let's just let it play out. I'm thinking it might be a good idea to take a couple days off, so I'll chat with you guys in a week or so, unless something big comes up. GO PACK!

on March 15th, 2013 at 08:35pm

well guys, it sounds like Jennings has been talking with ap and allen all year setting this all up again, the packers were just in it to raise his price. he said he wanted to play in the warm or dome. hey idiot, after next year they will be playing at the gophers stadium for 2 years, by then he'll be cut or gone. he just wanted something different and different team and wanted to be wined and dined. lied again, like most players do. after they get the ring they want the money. if they get the money, then they want the ring. it's hard to watch sometimes. voice, i have to ask u, do u respect the patriots way of doing things? they seem to do ok, by picking up 4-5 players every year. He just signed my man i said earlier, i wanted, wilson from the cardinals. it works both ways, but we need some leadership on D. ley's se who is right and i hope you are voice. jennings break your leg and laugh to the bank. go, 18,87,89. and the te from nd.

on March 15th, 2013 at 09:33pm

I have one question for all my friends on here!! Does anyone know if TT is still alive? Is he still buried in a film fog funk from the 49er and Giant games of last year?....is he on a retreat in the backwoods of Montana with Capers figuring out how to limit the opposition to under 450 yards a game??....is he negotiating with Rodgers agent over the clause in his contract about bonus money for ARod if he is sacked over 60 times this year??...is he interviewing for a Canadian Football League job.....maybe Montreal where Marc Trestman came from ??....Is he tirelessly working on long term conracts for Cedric Benson, Ryan Grant, and maybe coaxing Jeff Saturday back for one more year?? Someone please wake him up....the Tier 1 signings are over and he usually passess on Tier 2 also the Tier3-4 guys are his bargains. I know we had a lot of injuries last year but someone tell me what he has done to improve the team....we have a below average Offensive Line.....we have a defense that gives up 450 yards a game.....we have no running game and we have a backup QB that has more career fumbles than completions. TT loves his draft choices and if that is the only avenue for improvement....even if he has a great draft they do not contribute. Guys...I see the division improving and we are standing pat. We are one injury ( please never Aaron) from a 4-12 season. As you guys know I am as avid a long time Packer as any on this site but I sense some disturbing trends. Hopefully I am wrong and you guys are right.....but this is the NFL 2013. PLEASE...GO PACK GO !!

on March 15th, 2013 at 10:19am

I'll pop back for a quick reply...Larry, as far as handling free agency, the Patriots are probably the only ones that do it right. Their consistency over the past 10 years or so is proof enough, so the answer to your question is yes. You guys are the best - you make this site fun. I'm out for a while...see you later.

on March 15th, 2013 at 10:35pm

Voice, I am trying to remain calm as I try to do every year at this time but it is hard for me not to log on every few hours to see if the Pack picked anybody up. I know free agency moves have a much greater chance of failing than succeeding but somebody like Steven Jackson is so tantalizing. The good news: I am not the GM. Teddy is. And he is able to resist those impulses that Al Davis and Dan Snyder (and Jeff Ireland this year in Miami) give in to in the hopes of a quick fix. We won't win the SB every year but Teddy's approach makes us competitive every year and a chip-and-a-chair is all you can really ask for. Bottom line is that we have the best offensive player in the league in Aaron Rodgers (sorry all-day but QB more important than RB). We have arguably the best defensive player in the NFL in Clay Mathews (Revis better maybe?) We have the one of the two best hybrid slot WR/returners in Cobb (Percy better or worse still to be decided). Let's shore up the O-Line which Teddy has been trying to do with two 1st round picks (tough to have injuries take away your left tackle Sherrod and right tackle Bulaga last year). Let's figure out something at RB that works (don't really know if that is a high draft choice or by committee again). Let's get a solid pash rush and tackling out of our D-line and LBs (again these areas were just ravaged by injury last year with Bishop, Perry, Worthy all going down). And let's get back to the playoffs and see if we can go on a run! And since I am not the GM, let me end with a fantasy: let's use that money we saved from Jennings and go get Elvis now that Denver screwed up:) What a sack combo we would have then. Aqnd good luck to Jennings (hope fans don't boo him when he returns). I have no hard feelings. Don't blame the pack for not wanting to overpay and don't blame the Vikings for taking a chance. Greg was always a class act when in GB.

on March 16th, 2013 at 03:11pm

Voice....like you I'm out for a while also. I am off to Las Vegas for my annual NCAA Basketball Trip. I will check all the dark corners of the Casinos to see if anyone found TT. Enough steroid ball for a while off to watch and bet roundball. GO PACK GO !!

on March 16th, 2013 at 07:58am

Jennings signed with the Queens mainly to enhance his deodorant commercial career. Now instead of "smelf" he'll just be "smell."

on March 17th, 2013 at 07:42am

Vegas doesn't seem to be buying into the Packers' demise. They've got Green Bay 12 to 1 to win next year's Super Bowl. Denver and New England are at 6 to 1, Seattle 9 to 1 and San Fran. 13-2 and are the only ones better. BTW, Chkicago is at 40 to 1, Minisota 50 to 1 and Detroit 60 to 1. So much for "winning" the free agent spending spree.

on March 19th, 2013 at 05:55am

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